Formed in late 2000 and having released its third full length album in 2007 Ė the ferocious ĎThe Final Collapseí on Prank Records Ė 2009 sees San Francisco Bay Area Anarcho Punks BORN/DEAD in testing times. Vocalist/ guitarist Will Kinser has moved to
..OK - tell us what kinda mood you are in and why as you sit down to answer these questions.
..Wyatt) My mood is good. Really excited about our tour coming up.
..Will) Iím in a mood to fuck shit up and to articulate my most inner thoughts of course.
..For those who are not aware, tell us the reason behind BORN/DEADís existence. In the world of Punk Rock/ Hardcore - where does BORN/DEAD sit?
..Will) We started this band when I was 20 years old and to say that we began with any sort of goal other than to voice our frustrations and concerns with the world around us would be a lie. Although I think at this point in our decidedly more adult lives it means a lot more than that. This band is an expression of our politics, and the intense pressure that everyday life confronts us with, and the enormous inequalities that exist in the world. Where does BORN/DEAD sit in the Punk Rock/Hardcore scene? I have no idea! I donít really care to tell you the truth. In some fucking hipster's eyes we are has beens, in some kid's mind we are rock stars. I say we are just a few people that are more dedicated to this lifestyle than most others and have the integrity to do what we like. Iím really proud to say that we have never changed our ideals or musical style to suit anyones tastes but our own.
..Wyatt) I was playing in a Hardcore band from Oakland called CHEMICAL IMBALANCE with Bill (our first drummer) when the singer decided to quit and move to England. We had met Will in Santa Cruz some years earlier and had talked about playing music. He was doing a band called NO OPTIONS at the time, after their bassist died we decided to start this band.
..About two years ago, the band released the album, ĎThe Final Collapseí. In what ways is this a progression from the previous ĎRepetition-Endless Warí and ĎOur Darkest Fears Now Haunt Usí albums? Did you approach this album differently in any way from those previous albums?
..Wyatt) With playing with different drummers, I think that their styles helped influence the band and rawness of the songs. This gives each album a different feeling.
..Will) I would say that 'The Final Collapse' is more of a departure from the somewhat Crust sound of 'Endless War/Repetition' era, returning back to a more fast paced Hardcore sound which we started with. Itís been two years since recording this record and I still feel it is the best recording we have done to date. We made conscious decisions to make this more of a drum heavy/vocal heavy record and I really like the results. I feel like we achieved a more raw Hardcore record with this recording which suits us a lot better. I still really like the other records, I guess I was never really satisfied with my own vocal delivery on the prior two.
..Although you have your own label, No Options, BORN/DEAD releases its albums on San Francisco label, Prank Records. Is that purely down to the fact Prank has better distribution? How did you hook up with Ken at Prank?
..Will) No Options Records released the '24 Hostages' EP. We met Ken pretty shortly after, and I ended up giving him ten songs in handwritten lyrics with a copy of 'Our Darkest Fears' recording to see if he was interested in doing a record. I was around 21 years old at the time and had no real extra income to spare to release another record although the EP was selling well. On a small sidenote: The two records were done very close together because we already had all the songs by the time we recorded the first EP. A lot of the EP songs where actually written after the 'Darkest Fears' songs. Basically it came down to Prank being our favourite label going in the US and Kenís interest in working with us that brought about our relationship with Prank. I view Ken as a real stalwart of the Hardcore scene; he has his own tastes, great production, amazing quality control, and basically his label is what I would want mine to be if I didnít play in a bunch of other bands and could just focus on my one thing. BORN/DEAD seemed happy with Prank so No Options quickly turned its attention to other bands we where playing with at the time and trying to help them start out.
..Whatís the deal with Prank? Are you on a Ďcontractí of any form? Besides releasing the records, what influence does Ken have on the finished BORN/DEAD product? What about aesthetically? The album comes in a gatefold sleeve, lyric booklet and echoes the packaging of CRASS somewhat. That your own creation? What about funding for recording?
..Will) I just want to make this clear. Prank Records doesnít use contracts and is a completely DIY label. We would never sign a contract with any label as that goes against what we as a band stand for. This is not to say that we totally disagree with bands signing, because that is each individual bands' choice. Ken at Prank has given us his opinion about art, layout, recording, as well as a lot of useful advise but that is as far as it goes. Prank has given us free reign over everything this band does and that is why our relationship has worked so well. I think both parties really respect each other and Prank continues to be our favourite label in the USA. A huge reason why Prank is such a great label is that they pay for recording and most other expenses which I feel really gives him a hand up over most other labels that are DIY because it ensures quality.
..Wyatt) Ken is really great to work with, leaving us with the creativity to make the music as we like. After the recording is all done he will come in and give some input on the mixing, but that is really it as far as it has gone. The music and artwork is up to us. He does also have really good distribution, so the choice was easy.
..Will) Actually most of the recent layouts Iíve done for the band have been inspired by a series of Mortarhate Comps, such as 'We Wonít Be your Fucking Poor'. We have always loved the Anarcho Punk aesthetic and feel it fits this band's politics and style.
..Iíd like to talk about a couple of songs on the album, starting with the albumís closing song, ĎAssaultí. Itís a very intelligent examination of the barbarous effects of child abuse. There are no damning accusations toward the aggressor, just the mental anguish of the victim. Did you draw on any personal experience to write something so effective?
..Will) I wrote this song based on personal experiences as well as some friends that Iíve had long discussions with about their own experiences. I think a lot of people who victimize their kids or loved ones are unaware of the permanent damage they are doing. In my case it was not a family member but various sitters and family friends who continually beat me in the name of "spare the rod, spoil the child" Christian-style discipline. The latter half of the song deals with domestic abuse which I not only witnessed as a child, but have witnessed happening to friends over the years. Itís a difficult subject to tackle so I just try to keep it as personal as I can.
..Wyatt) This song was also on a split 7" with PELIGRO SOCIAL, the song lyrically to me hits home with abuse.
..What do you think can be done to combat child abuse? Here in New Zealand, we have an anti-smacking law which seems to have lead to some parents losing parental control while those who would (and do) abuse kids continue to do so. You think violence breeds violence?
..Will) I think that it is never alright to hit a child in any instance. There are lots of other punishments that are way more effective. As far as punishment in general though I think most children donít really grasp what they are doing as wrong. It all comes down to teaching your children the right behaviour. I really wonder if society would be as violent as it is in the world if children where taught respect and dignity, instead of violence and shame?
..Wyatt) Violence breeds violence on different levels. Smacking a child doesn't always lead to child abuse, but smacking a child can teach them to use physical force to gain control of situations. Education, workshops, and counseling will be the key to helping put this violence to an end.
..And why choose to cover the CRESS song, ĎSirensí? Itís not the first cover the band has recorded - you also did a version of THE NECROS ĎNo Oneí too yeah? You have any other covers in mind that you may - or want - to do?
..Wyatt) When we started playing we were doing covers just to get used to playing with each other. ZERO BOYS' 'High Times', IRON CROSS, CROMAGS, SUBHUMANS. Classics.
..Will) I basically learned how to play guitar to the CRESS 'Monuments' LP along with LAST RIGHTS, and REALLY RED. I have always wanted to cover one of their songs and it just seemed fitting for the record. We have had a lot of ideas for covers and have played a lot of others live, but we think it is much more important to work on our own material than spend hours perfecting someone elseís song which in most cases is gonna be better anyhow. A couple ideas weíve thrown around are THE CURE 'A Forest', THE MOB 'At the Gates of Hell', and ULTRA VIOLENT 'Crime for Revenge'.
..Wow - love to hear you guys rip through 'A Forest'! A lot of your songs deal with bleak subjects in a realistic and moderately depressing way. While itís easy to tear things down, itís not so easy to offer viable alternatives - that something you agree with? Do you see any optimism in the world to write about?
..Will) Itís easy to look around and see all the messed up things going on in the world. I think though that it is hard to put them into songs which are poetic and well written. I write what I live and breathe everyday of my life and that is the best I can do. As far as alternatives go, I think the only way out is the destruction of capitalism and government. There isnít a lot of optimism I can see; it seems like we are headed on a course for global annihilation and nothing can stop it.
..Wyatt) The world is fucked on so many levels; I believe tearing things down and starting over with clear heads is what will make things change. Looking at society and how selfish and narcissistic the majority of people are, I really have no hope for most of the human race. If I can live my life and do good for myself and the people that I interact with then I have made a change. I can't change the world but I can myself.
..Since recording the album, drummer Josh Carmen has left the band. Why was that? How did you hook up with his replacement, ex-PELIGRO SOCIAL drummer, Mackey? In what way has Mackey changed the band? And Mackey - what do you think you have brought to the band that was missing previously?
..Will) Josh made the decision that he wanted to step away from the band and take a different path with his own projects. He left on good terms with us and we will always be indebted to him for his contribution to BORN/DEAD. Josh leaving just happened to coincide with PELIGRO SOCIAL calling it a day and since Mackey has been a good friend of ours for a long time - I think we met him when he was 15 years old playing drums in a band who opened - we figured he would be a great addition to the band. Mackey is a great drummer with a very distinct style. In this way he has changed the band a lot. Iím personally really excited to see a more stripped down Punk version of BORN/DEAD with Mackey on drums.
..Mackey) I donít think any of the drummers lacked energy, but in a way I feel like I bring a new energy to the band. It's been a blast! Iíve never played in any groups like B/D before.
..Youíre involved with DESOLATION also, Will. What does DESOLATION provide you with that BORN/DEAD fails? Is it a long-term project?
..Will) I wouldnít say BORN/DEAD really fails in any way of satisfying me musically or politically, I just happen to be a person who likes to keep busy and playing in other bands satisfies different directions of creativity. DESOLATION has been a long term project really. We have been a band for 6 years now. DESOLATION has basically challenged me to be a better guitar player because the other people in that band are highly skilled musicians, not that anyone in BORN/DEAD isnít though haha.
..Youíve also just formed/ joined a couple of new bands, SUICIDE BOMB and DOPECHARGE. Tell us a bit about both those bands. In what ways do these bands differ from BORN/DEAD and DESOLATION? Are you involved with the song writing of these other bands - and if so - how do you prioritise what you are gonna use in BORN/DEAD and what you use in the other bands? Being in four bands must be a delicate balancing act!
..Will) DOPECHARGE also includes Mackey on vocals and other members of various other bands and projects Iíve been involved with; they happened to need a bassist, I have never played bass in a band before so I figured it would be fun and I had an extra day to practice in my schedule so I said what the hell, Iíll do it. I have helped them arrange some songs and written one but mainly I just have fun playing in the band and let them go in the direction they want. SUICIDE BOMB on the other hand was a last desperate attempt to be in a band with Robert Collins before I move to Germany later this year. It just happened to really work well and now we have ten songs and are recording for a record. It's not hard to prioritise the writing really because SUICIDE BOMB is very improvisational in writing and also very collaborative, we never write songs before coming to practice whereas in BORN/DEAD I will write an entire song and arrange it before the band even hears it sometimes. I would say any sort of balancing act in writing would be with DESOLATION. I actually just stole a BORN/DEAD song for that band, but we arenít anywhere near ready to record another record so no big deal.
..What about you guys, Wyatt and Mackey - you in any other bands outside of BORN/DEAD?
..Wyatt) Right now I am playing with ABRUPT a female fronted band which is a blur of discordant melodies, pounding drums and earth-shaking bass licks. We will be on tour in September in Europe. We have a self released album and have recorded five songs to be put on a 7" some time later this year.
..Mackey) After PELIGRO SOCIAL Iíve occupied my time with singing for DOPECHARGE which has been fun and also a challenge. We've got a recording that will surface in some way shape or form over the next year.
..The last tour BORN/DEAD undertook was massive - literally traversing the world. I believe it was the first time you had played in the UK too - how did that go? What were your immediate impressions of the UK?
..Will) This was actually our second time playing in the UK, we played 3 shows there in 2005 with THE RESTARTS. I like the UK a lot although I canít stand playing in pubs that are bright as day in some cities there. My cities in the UK are Brighton which has a brilliant Anarchist cafť/infoshop to play. Bristol has the Punkest bar on the planet, there where actually members of ICONS OF FILTH, DISORDER, CHAOS UK, and CONFLICT in attendance. I was actually nervous to play haha. Bradfordís 1 in 12 is an excellent spot as well, especially the Means to an End festival. Lastly London has to make the list. What is there not to love about dirty squatters, dirtier squats, and brilliant gigs. My only complains is that most of the food in the UK is terrible..haha.
..Wyatt) Lots of beer drinking and Punk nights out!
..The food always seems to get criticised! You also made it over here to New Zealand. I recall reading that you lived over here for about a year Will? What did you think of the shows here? Did you get to see much of New Zealand itself - and what differences were apparent from NZ in 2008 and that of when you lived here?
..Will) I lived in NZ for a year when I was 8 years old. My mother was a missionary for this cult called the The Children Of God and we were sent there to save souls as far as I can tell. I did actually get to see a lot of NZ then because I went on lots of trips throughout the country. The main things I remember are the Aquarium in Auckland, the Zoo somewhere on the way to (?) where I got to feed 6-month old lions, and Rainbow Park where we went a bunch of times to a giant maze and bumper boats. I actually went back to the Aquarium this time and it is way smaller than I remembered it as a kid..haha. We didnít get to see much when we were there because we had a pretty tight tour schedule though.
..Wyatt) The shows were a lot of fun. We played with WASTED I believe and some other good bands whom are slipping my mind. My brother got mulched. Made some friends and did some swimming. NZ is a beautiful country.
..Give us a run-down of some of the other places you got to - I recall Greece being one, Macedonia - SE Asia also yeah? And that followed a big tour of the States. How physically demanding is touring on that kind of massive scale? This sounds like a stunningly sensible question, but on a tour of that scale that virtually touches all the continents, how do you handle something like travel insurance? You ever needed hospitalisation on tour - and if so why and where and how did you handle costs?
..Will) We made it to Greece which was absolutely amazing! We made some great friends there and got to do a lot of sight seeing. I ended up getting detained there as well by the police on suspicion of drugs. When they questioned me they asked about some of my tattoos and what my political beliefs are. I told them I am an Anarchist and asked the officer what his beliefs where to which he replied, "I donít believe in anything". I told him he was a nihilist which he was not pleased about. Anyhow seeing as we had no drugs on us I was let go. We also made it to about 24 other countries in Europe. Unfortunately we couldnít make it to SE Asia due to some personal issues. This is our biggest regret about the tour. It has always been our dream to play there, hopefully we can make it sometime in the future when it is more financially viable for the people in the band.
..Wyatt) We have never had any travel insurance, I guess we leave it up to fate whether we make it or not. Touring is physically demanding but we tend to hold up alright. Just drink the pain away haha. Will has been in the hospital on tour many times.
..Will) Josh had to go as well. Iím still getting hospital bills from my stay in Australia but they are pretty minor and I donít intend on ever paying them. Every other country never charged, or if they did it was very cheap like ten Euros or less. It really says something about the health care in the USA, if you get an ambulance to a hospital here including blood tests, and x-rays it would cost thousands. The bill for that cost 60 dollars Australian. The end diagnosis was that I had torn muscle in my chest from getting punched in Tasmania and that my blood alcohol content was ten times the legal limit 15 hours after I stopped drinking. They never explained why I was sneezing blood though? Hahaha.
..Wyatt) I would say we tour like most Punx do, we hope for the best, and if the worst happens we arenít gonna have any money so we have to rely on our friends and family in those situations.
..Being Americans - and especially during the time of Bush - did you feel any animosity coming from individuals due to you being Americans and was it worse in any specific countries?
..Will) Not really, I mean all the Punx pretty much know our politics at this point and if they don't they havenít done their research have they? As far as normal folk go I rarely have met anyone that isnít totally enamoured with the thought of American dream. Sure some may condemn the USA because of foreign policy, but in the end they want the same wealth that the USA has amassed due to those exact policies. I think if there is going to be change in society worldwide then people are going to have to be happy with less.
..I was watching a CITIZEN FISH DVD recently. They stated that, being on the road constantly, changed their perception of home and that touring replaces home life as Ďthe normí. That something you agree with? How much readjusting does it take to get back into the Ďhome-lifeí groove after travelling the world, playing Punk shows and partying?
..Will) I would rather be on the road than at home. It's not that I donít miss the comforts of home and my friends here, but I prefer to experience new things everyday and it seems that when Iím at home there is a routine I fall into. Itís not on purpose, but I have to go to work, then band practice, there are always shows at the same places. It all becomes routine. I have learned after lots of time on the road that I donít really need many material possessions or much comfort and it is really empowering. When we get back it usually takes a few months for me to readjust to home life. I go through a phase where I will pretend Iím still touring and go out every night. After that gets boring I usually have a bit of depression, and then eventually I find my stride and it's back to work.
..Tell us a bit about life in your home of the Bay Area of San Francisco. From an overseas perspective there appears to be a thriving Punk scene? Is that correct, or is it a plethora of Pop-Punkers?
..Mackey) There's a whole bunch of everything in Bay. The Punk scene is killer! There are a lot of strong bands coming out of the East Bay and San Fran. TV EVANGELISTS is my favorite.
..Wyatt) The Bay Area is an extremely awesome place to live! Great art, great food, thriving locally owned business, tons of music. As far as Iím concerned it is the best place to live in the country.
..Will) The Punk scene, like all places, has its good and bad moments as far as the Punk scene goes. There is always another wave of kids coming in and they can either make it great or terrible, but if youíve been here long enough, you know it is only a matter of time till it gets better and there is another awesome group of bands coming up. Right now there are some good things going on. There is plans for a new DIY all ages venue in San Fran, there are plenty of spaces that are going strong. There are some great bands like T.V. EVANGELISTS, RUIDOS, FACE THE RAIL, to name a few. If the American Hardcore/Punk scene could embrace real radical politics Punk could actually mean something here finally.
..I guess thereís a large proportion of homeless there too? Has San Fran become gentrified and over-developed during the Bush years? What about politics - is it a politically-charged city? It has the reputation of being liberal and decidedly bohemian - that a myth or reality?
..Mackey) The homeless have a few camps on the southeast side of the city. The numbers are in the thousands. Children, the elderly, vets, and people with medical issues of all races make up these numbers. It can seem unrealistic, but people have lived this way in San Fran as long as I can remember. I grew up in a neighborhood that has been almost completely gentrified. Starting in about 1997 I can remember working class Latino families being evicted from surrounding apartments and young urban pioneers arriving in new VW Beatles, mixed coffee drinks in hand, taking their place. The apartment I grew up in was sold in 2004 as a condo, forcing my family out of their home. The gentrification of the city continues, and with that I think the bohemian spirit of the city evaporates.
..Will) San Fran and the Bay Area's gentrification has nothing to do with Bush. It has everything to do with the fact that the suburban lifestyle has been realized for what it is, which is a total unrealistic and unsustainable sham. What you have now is another great white flight, but this time it is back to the cities. It seems here in America that economic inequality is the new slavery. If you are wealthy then you can push around whoever you want. The Bay is a very liberal place in relation to the rest of America, but it is mostly all talk because everyone wants to remain in the utopian bubble of liberalism while there are people dying on the streets right before their eyes. This all boils down to the mentality that if it doesnít effect you or your friends that everything is fine. They have a big shock coming to them in the next few years when their lifestyles will change because of the very policies that have allowed them to live in this bubble.
..For a traveller - particularly one of a Punk persuasion - what are the essential things to do and see in the Bay Area?
..Will) Thatís a pretty broad question. I like to go to museums, see the landmarks, and the beach is always beautiful. There are also some great record stores here, bars and venues which have hosted Punx for the past 20 years.
..Will) Molotovís haha.
..Mackey) Party with us!
..As stated, politics form a great part of what BORN/DEAD is about. Do you feel politics and Punk Rock are intrinsically linked? I mean, Punk is essentially a voice for the voiceless, a protest music that has no place for conservative beliefs or discrimination. Whatís your view on a band like NOFX becoming political after being the biggest apolitical band in Punk Rock for years? And is there a place for religion in something like Punk Rock - or is that in itself a contradiction?
..Will) Punk is inherently political because life is political no matter if you acknowledge it or not. I think that Punk is about individuality and the personal becomes political. As far as NOFX is concerned I really donít think it is ever too late to change, and although I havenít really been keeping tabs on the band, I donít support liberal bands who endorse politicians. Punk is about radical anti-government politics. The two are at odds. You canít be a Punk and support the system, it just doesnít work. The religion question is a tough one because religion can be a personal thing, but I would say there is no room for it in Punk. You gotta find some other way to express that part of yourself outside of Punk. Leave your god at home.
..Mackey) NOFX are political? Doubtful.. Their coke addictions have been supplying the contras since 84! .... Religion in Punk Rock is like a shit sandwich. The church is grasping for every last drop of blood they can drain out of us and religious Punks are nothing but infiltrators in our midst.
..Given that your politics fall on the anarchist side of things, did you vote in the last American election? I agree with the theory that voting makes no difference to the nature of government - which is essentially to oppress - but after the Bush years, did you consider it paramount to evict the right-wing Republican Party in favour of Obamaís more centrist-Left Democratic ideals?
..Will) I donít vote and never have because I donít agree with capitalist democracy or any of its forms. Iíve been in heated debates as to whether I should vote in local elections and on local measures but I still have yet to be swayed. Keep trying though, I could change my mind if the right argument was put forth. I donít really care who sits in office because both parties - and indeed all the viable parties in this country - stand for everything I oppose. Having a Centrist-Left government is only prolonging the carnage that capitalism is causing to our planet and humanity and the faster people become aware of this the better it is for the planet. Like Wyatt said we have to destroy before we can rebuild.
..Talking of which, how do you think Obama is doing so far?
..Will) Other than doing a 180 on just about every campaign promise he has made and protecting war criminals I would say he is doing just great. A+..haha
..What are your thoughts on the world-wide recession? Is any one person to blame or is it a mass consumption of crap piled onto credit cards - or is it a myth created by a bunch of capitalist bankers and politicians? Do you think it purely coincidental that it occurred at the very end of the Bush tenure?
..Will) Again I really hate it when blame is put on one figure head while overlooking the smaller and, most of the time, more sinister bankers, economists, and multi nationals businessmen who are responsible for global policy. The recession the world is facing has to do with economic policies which originated in the 70s from a bunch of conservatives who believed that markets will unwaveringly balance themselves without regulation. i.e. the "Free Market". This is a ploy for capitalist money men to basically go into a country which has recently deregulated and privatized their countries resources and industry (usually because of facing enormous debt to the IMF or World Bank from former US supported regimes, or after suffering some sort of catastrophic event) and make a ton of money in the short run while ruining the lives of ordinary workers for decades to come. This has been done countless times in the name of bringing democracy to the oppressed countries of the world such as Iraq, Honduras, and most of the sub-Sahara Africa. These policies have opened the worldwide economy to free trade which in turn has linked all of the worldís economies together. The third world has been slaving away for the extravagant lifestyles of the west which in turn have been living on credit because all their industry has moved overseas. This of course is money that doesnít really exist and at some time will have to be repayed. If there must be government then I believe that it should subsidize its citizens' needs such as healthcare, food, and education. Citizens should have the rights to the resources and not fucking business men who would just as soon see someone tortured and maimed as long as they can make a buck. I would actually like to go into this more in-depth, but this is an interview and not an essay.
..If you could change just ONE thing about America and its culture - what would it be?
..Will) Just one thing? Actually I canít really say because it is so hypothetical. I guess I would try to eradicate the rampant greed that has taken hold of everyone.
..I read recently that you are moving to Germany, Will. Why Germany? Is this with a long-term view? What does that mean for the future of BORN/DEAD?
..Will) I am moving to Germany. I guess it's just time for a change and one of my best friends lives there so I decided to move and see how I like it. I also feel like there is a stronger activist culture there and that it would be interesting to see what it is like to create alternatives to ordinary life. BORN/DEADís future at the moment is uncertain although we have discussed regrouping in a couple years when we see each other. It's certainly not over, but we might take a long hiatus. It's time to look towards the future and we have never been to good at planning that out.
..How did you handle Immigration? As a Brit living in NZ, I had some serious complications with immigration - even though NZ and Britain have close ties via the Commonwealth.
..Will) Iím going to come and go from the EU for the first year most likely, by then I will try to get a green card. My first goal is to learn the language.
..A stupid, fun question because all BORN/DEAD interviews seem to be pretty heavy reads. OK - You can be anywhere in the world and can turn yourself invisible. Where would you be and what one action would you perform?
..Will) I have no idea sorry. I swear I have a sense of humor, but it's 3am and I canít imagine right now..haha. Take a nap in Tahiti.
..Mackey) Siesta. Por favor.
..What next for BORN/DEAD and No Options Recs? I read about a split BORN/DEAD was gonna do with BEHIND ENEMY LINES that was to be released on No Options. What happened to that?
..Will) We had plans to do a split with BEHIND ENEMY LINES but I think that the move has come up too soon with the drummer replacement. I'll be writing as always so someday we will follow up 'The Final Collapse' I hope. Maybe it can be about economics..haha. Right now we are focusing on our upcoming tour in Europe. It's gonna be as a four-piece this time with Brandon Jones from DEATHRAID on guitar also! Like I said, the future is unforeseeable at the moment. No Options Records just released the MORNE/ WARPRAYER split LP. All other releases are on hold until I get settled in Europe.